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This one is copied from a posting of Marc Williams:
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I participate in photo.net far more frequently because of the way it is organized, and because you can add substantial sized images to the posts as you discuss points related to photography.
 
Hi Marc,

if you talk about "size", do you mean in pixel or in KB?

Pixel would be in general not a problem, but the KB size, since this makes the board slow when entering a long thread.

What size in pixel and in KB would be best in your opinion?

Any more suggestions for improvemenst (from all)? This is the only way for us to see what kind of features are important to you.
 
Dirk

A fairly common size provision is to allow images to be uploaded at 600 pixels at their widest dimension. Is this possible?

Merrill
 
That's better Dirk. But I think you could investigate a 80 or 100KB max . Photo.net has a 511 ppi max width requirement with no restriction on depth, AND 100KB requirement, but accepts even larger KB sizes allowing people to self regulate. Fred's site allows even larger images and his presentation of images is the best I've experienced on any site. (www.fredmiranda.com)

I understand that dial-up participants suffer from larger up-loads, but a balance should be arrived at that allows photography to be presented as illustration of forum points being made. Better images would be worth a little wait IMO.

Another nice point you may wish to investigate is providing direct links from posters names to their Contax portfolio. Click on the forum participant's name and go directly to their portfolio. That way we could upload a whole slew of recent images and direct folks to our gallery for feedback.

Finally, Navigation to specific subjects on this forum is the most complex procedure of any forum I participate in. There are all kinds of threads and sub-threads to wade through if you come here without an e-mail link. Anyone have any thoughts on this? Agree or disagree?

Anyway, let's try the new size 600X600 @ 50K. Image shot with a Contax 645, 45/2.8 @ 2.8, Kodak ProBack 645C, converted to B&W in PSCS RAW using desaturate slider.



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Now seeing this I am sure a 80 to 100KB size is necessary. the image is pixelating (like in the face area). I would prefer a smaller overall ppi with a higher KB size. Maybe 550 ppi max @ 100KB max file size.

Thoughts?
 
mmmmhh,

we just changed it now to 100KB limit. Try the same image again.

I know Fred Mirandas site. We were looking also into the possibility of charging only for inserting imges within the forum and the forum access itself would stay free.

Unfortunately this is not possible technically with this discussion software at the moment. We are in talks with the software developer to have this option in a future version. So we decided to start at a lower price but for both access and upload rights (already with 25 USD for using this feature, Fred is charging 45 USD for it). But once our ideal option is technically possible, we can introduce a new system, no problem with that.

Regarding the presentation of images, I do not see a big difference at the moment between here and Fred's site. See an ex&le:

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/92932

"providing direct links from posters names to their Contax portfolio"

This is something we try to achieve also in the future. Currently we have only an old software of the photo gallery (fred miranda is using the same by the way, he just calls it webhosting).

We bought it, when it came out fresh on the market in summer 2002. We are trying since 2 weeks to upgrade it to a new version number without loosing old images, but so far without a success. The code seems to have changed so much, that the upgrade fils do not work properly. We are still working on it.

Once this is done, we want to add a field in the user profile within the forum for the photogallery albums - as far as the user has some. This would be like an own webspace with only your own images on it.

"Navigation to specific subjects on this forum is the most complex procedure of any forum I participate in. There are all kinds of threads and sub-threads to wade through if you come here without an e-mail link."

I hear your point, although I do think that this is question of personal taste (so please more feedback everybody).

There are basically 2 different ways of structuring a forum. The one way is Freds way by just adding new subtopics on top of each other within a topic on the first level.

i.e. here:

The topic path is: Canon mount SLR's and then people just post a new subopic/thread title in that category. Ex&le:

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/board/2

We have a step inbetween: You choose a topic as on Fred's site but after that we have some pre-defined subtopics. And only on the third level you can add your own subtopics/threads.

We have opted for that in the past, because we wanted to give new members a clear structure where to post what, so that it is faster to find in case of questions. If we would not have this second level structure inbetween, you would have to scroll through all threads to see whether there is i.e. threads about Contax N-zooms between the G-lenses and the manual focus lenses and the bodies.

At Fred's site (which is very good by the way) there is not differentiation between bodies, lenses etc. So you have to walk through 14 pages with 30 threads on each page in the Canon section, before you know whether there is information for you.

What I do not know is what happens with old postings there. Fred's site is already there for a long time, but I do not see these very old postings. Maybe he deletes them regularly, which might be an option to consider, especially for speed and traffic improvements, but less atractive for the "knowledge base" that gets lost.

We are open for any suggestions. We just thought the current structure would be easier. If you think differently, feel free to add your comments here.
 
Dirk, thank you for indulging this exploration.

It is true that Fred's site is pretty immediate in terms of topic discussion. It is not for those who visit once a month. It actually encourages more regular participation. I never looked to see if he has a search function to access specific pieces of information, but I know photo.net has a search function which offers quick reference to specific topics. After a certain time, the posts on photo.net are archived and then accessed through the search function afterwards. For Sale posts are permanently deleted after a certain time period.

The s&le you showed of an upload on Fred's site was not such a good photo. Look at some in the "People Forum" like some of John Smeets studio work.

But, frankly, just being able to post an image like this in context to a forum discussion is a big leap forward IMO.

Same photo at 600PPI, 90K:










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mmmhh let's see whether it can be still better...

We changed it now to 130KB and 800 pixel on the longest side. You can try te same image again, although I do not not think that there will be a significant improvement after a certain file size in KB.

i looked at the image of John Smeets. They are really good, but you can compete easily with him
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Regarding the search function: We have a very detailed one on the top of the forum in the navigation bar. Direct link:

http://www.contaxinfo.com/cgi-bin/discus/search.cgi

Here is a screen print:



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You can search there by keywords (and & or combinations), by author, filterd by messages within the last minutes, hours, days or since the last time you visited the forum and aditional within certain topics only.

So I guess these are enough choices, if somebody is searching something specific. So this would not be a problem, if the majority would prefer a "less organized" board structure.

We also did some add-ons in the user-profile, where you can add now the url to your Contaxinfo Albums in the Contax photo gallery, your own homepage and up to 3 urls for your most "admired" photographers. We will ask about this in another thread specifically.
 
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