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Filmlike look prints with DSLRs possible
- Thread starter dirk
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There are only two options for the chicken, either from a digital camera or film scanned.
By looking at the cage, ground and most parts of the chicken except the wing, it is indistinguishable from the results I get from my 646. However, the wing of the chicken do have a plastic look and it does look like coming from a digital camera. On the other hand, this plastic look does remind me of an occasion that I was scanning images from Minolta dual scan. I was getting similar plastic look from the feathers of a parrot.
On the other hand, my digital experience is only limited to Canon and Sony. If you tell me that this comes from DMR or medium format cameras with digital backs, I would not be surprised. Good quality digital cameras are very capable of producing a film like effect. I am sorry to say that I would not include 1DsII and 5D in this discussion because they do annoy me sometimes of getting the plastic feel even though they have very high resolution of fine details.
In conclusion, the chicken shot could come from a good scanner or good digital camera but not from Canon or Sony.
By looking at the cage, ground and most parts of the chicken except the wing, it is indistinguishable from the results I get from my 646. However, the wing of the chicken do have a plastic look and it does look like coming from a digital camera. On the other hand, this plastic look does remind me of an occasion that I was scanning images from Minolta dual scan. I was getting similar plastic look from the feathers of a parrot.
On the other hand, my digital experience is only limited to Canon and Sony. If you tell me that this comes from DMR or medium format cameras with digital backs, I would not be surprised. Good quality digital cameras are very capable of producing a film like effect. I am sorry to say that I would not include 1DsII and 5D in this discussion because they do annoy me sometimes of getting the plastic feel even though they have very high resolution of fine details.
In conclusion, the chicken shot could come from a good scanner or good digital camera but not from Canon or Sony.
jsmisc
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I think that I should have picked up on your comment Marc in response to Michael's comment, that the rooster was trying to get away from you and was running and that is why it is slightly soft . That indicates manual focus and therefor I think you must have used your Leica and I was going to say I was therefor wrong and it must have been film but it could have been shot with the digital back which would bear out my dof theory - phew!
Cudo's to the "Photo Detective" Chi Yuan Joseph (Wang). Despite my heavy handed cropping of the image, and manipulating the perspective, his analysis is quite accurate.
It indeed was an Imacon MF digital back ... but could have easily been from MF film that was scanned on the excellent Imacon 646 or 848 digital scanner. The end qualities are quite similar in my experience (no surprise there since the source and processing engine are from the same company).
I also agree that you would never get quite the same visual results from any current DSLR except perhaps the Imacon equipped Leica DMR. I DO use the Canon 1DsMKII and 5D, and while both are excellent photography tools, they yield a different look that has it's own faults, charms and character ... chief among it's strengths is lightening fast and pin-point accurate AF ... which is why it remains a key part of my imaging arsenal.
Specifics of the shot are: Hasselblad H2D/39 @ ISO 200 using a HC100/2.2 AF lens @ f/2.8.
The Rooster was having no part of me photographing him and was quite elusive, so I took what I could get from a distance and did a severe crop afterwards ( 39 meg 645 sized sensor allows that). I had to grab the shot as I wasn't there to shoot the Rooster, but was doing an engagement shoot for one of my Brides at a Farm where her boy friend proposed to her (see attached "corny" photo they wanted done).
It still yielded a nice 11X14 of the Rooster for my wife's kitchen, earning me some points with her that I'll cash in when I tell her of my next camera purchase ... the Leica M8
I have high hopes for the M8 producing similar "closer to film like" results as it will be a CCD sensor with full 16 bit capture and use the superb M lenses with their micro contrast "German Lens" philosophy.
This brings up an interesting experiment ... I have noted that Japanese lenses tend to use absolute sharpness (as in edge sharpness) as opposed to German lenses like Zeiss and Leica that produce the appearance of sharpness via micro contrast.
I wonder if this would make a difference when he image is being captured digitally?
Since I have the HC lenses produced by Fuji for Hasselblad AND a CF Adapter allowing me to use Zeiss lenses on the same H2D/39 camera/back, I should try an experiment in the studio where all conditions could be identical except the different lenses used. I wonder if the Zeiss lenses would produce less of the characteristics like "the cut out and pasted" look?
Hmmm, now to find the time. Maybe when Irakly gets back we'll screw around with this experiment.
Here's one of the corn-ball shots the client requested down on the farm. It's a horribly compressed jpg (35% quality) but the full resolution print is quite realistic. Client LOVED it: -)
It indeed was an Imacon MF digital back ... but could have easily been from MF film that was scanned on the excellent Imacon 646 or 848 digital scanner. The end qualities are quite similar in my experience (no surprise there since the source and processing engine are from the same company).
I also agree that you would never get quite the same visual results from any current DSLR except perhaps the Imacon equipped Leica DMR. I DO use the Canon 1DsMKII and 5D, and while both are excellent photography tools, they yield a different look that has it's own faults, charms and character ... chief among it's strengths is lightening fast and pin-point accurate AF ... which is why it remains a key part of my imaging arsenal.
Specifics of the shot are: Hasselblad H2D/39 @ ISO 200 using a HC100/2.2 AF lens @ f/2.8.
The Rooster was having no part of me photographing him and was quite elusive, so I took what I could get from a distance and did a severe crop afterwards ( 39 meg 645 sized sensor allows that). I had to grab the shot as I wasn't there to shoot the Rooster, but was doing an engagement shoot for one of my Brides at a Farm where her boy friend proposed to her (see attached "corny" photo they wanted done).
It still yielded a nice 11X14 of the Rooster for my wife's kitchen, earning me some points with her that I'll cash in when I tell her of my next camera purchase ... the Leica M8
I have high hopes for the M8 producing similar "closer to film like" results as it will be a CCD sensor with full 16 bit capture and use the superb M lenses with their micro contrast "German Lens" philosophy.
This brings up an interesting experiment ... I have noted that Japanese lenses tend to use absolute sharpness (as in edge sharpness) as opposed to German lenses like Zeiss and Leica that produce the appearance of sharpness via micro contrast.
I wonder if this would make a difference when he image is being captured digitally?
Since I have the HC lenses produced by Fuji for Hasselblad AND a CF Adapter allowing me to use Zeiss lenses on the same H2D/39 camera/back, I should try an experiment in the studio where all conditions could be identical except the different lenses used. I wonder if the Zeiss lenses would produce less of the characteristics like "the cut out and pasted" look?
Hmmm, now to find the time. Maybe when Irakly gets back we'll screw around with this experiment.
Here's one of the corn-ball shots the client requested down on the farm. It's a horribly compressed jpg (35% quality) but the full resolution print is quite realistic. Client LOVED it: -)
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Marc and Irakly, if you have the time & fun, please do these comparisons. I am afraid none of my non-Contax and non-Leica Photo friends understand what kind of problems I have and it seems that here at Contaxinfo, we all are looking for the same thing.
So comparison shots would be great. I do not know whether the maximum upload capacity would block a fair comparison. MF results will be huge.
But I could upload it on our server and give a link here. I think my mailbox does not accept mails bigger than 10MB, I have to check that.
Just leave me a note when you have time to do this stuff with Irakly and I will be ready...
This will be fun!
Marc and Irakly, if you have the time & fun, please do these comparisons. I am afraid none of my non-Contax and non-Leica Photo friends understand what kind of problems I have and it seems that here at Contaxinfo, we all are looking for the same thing.
So comparison shots would be great. I do not know whether the maximum upload capacity would block a fair comparison. MF results will be huge.
But I could upload it on our server and give a link here. I think my mailbox does not accept mails bigger than 10MB, I have to check that.
Just leave me a note when you have time to do this stuff with Irakly and I will be ready...
This will be fun!
FYI
I just chnaged temporarley the upload size limits for the whole Contaxinfo forum
old: 130KB, 800x800 pixel
New: 2MB, 1200x1200 pixel.
This is just temporarely for a week or so to be able to discus bigger photos in this context.
For normal usage the MB and pixel size would make the appearance of a thread very wide and ugly, a lot of scrolling would be necessary to read a thread and it would take ages to open a thread with many images of 2MB size
This is why I will make it only for a limited time as soon as it is needed from time to time.
If somebody has a better idea how to show and discus high MB images, please share it with us
I just chnaged temporarley the upload size limits for the whole Contaxinfo forum
old: 130KB, 800x800 pixel
New: 2MB, 1200x1200 pixel.
This is just temporarely for a week or so to be able to discus bigger photos in this context.
For normal usage the MB and pixel size would make the appearance of a thread very wide and ugly, a lot of scrolling would be necessary to read a thread and it would take ages to open a thread with many images of 2MB size
This is why I will make it only for a limited time as soon as it is needed from time to time.
If somebody has a better idea how to show and discus high MB images, please share it with us
