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In discussing the metamerism could writers be more clear about which ink/printer is doing what in your discussion? It is not easy to follow from one email to the next.
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> Those colors are selectively 'shinier,' in that if you view the print> on angle a solidly-colored object appears to be like a piece from a> jigsaw puzzle--it will stand out with a sort of glare. Absolutely> straight-on you can't see this; under glass is pretty good for > avoiding the problem, too. But the metamerism is there (though less> than even a short number of years ago).
Ahah! I was beginning to suspect as much - I believe the phenomenon you are referring to is widely known as "bronzing" . Metamerism is when you get a colour shift under different lighting conditions - hardly detectable with dyebased inks but glaringly obvious in some pigment ink /paper combinations[often a yucky green cast] . It is often far more noticeable in B&W prints than colour , which is often why some people switch to dedicated 4 or 6 tone black/grey inkcarts or one of the bottle systems[aside from cost] . With bronzing , depending on how much of a problem it is , you will need to experiment with various ink/paper combinations to find the best results . Steve
Ahah! I was beginning to suspect as much - I believe the phenomenon you are referring to is widely known as "bronzing" . Metamerism is when you get a colour shift under different lighting conditions - hardly detectable with dyebased inks but glaringly obvious in some pigment ink /paper combinations[often a yucky green cast] . It is often far more noticeable in B&W prints than colour , which is often why some people switch to dedicated 4 or 6 tone black/grey inkcarts or one of the bottle systems[aside from cost] . With bronzing , depending on how much of a problem it is , you will need to experiment with various ink/paper combinations to find the best results . Steve
Today I purchased the Epson 2200 and it is so much more than what I expected. I plugged it into the mac (os10.2.6) and made a black and white print - I was amazed at the quality. This printer replaces a 1270 and the same image printed on each machine is like night and day! There is detail in the print that I barely see on the monitor - I'm a happy man!
I do have a question about exchanging the matte black for the photo black. When you take a cartridge out can you put it back again later or is it instantly trash?
Thanks, Roger
PS Anyone want to buy an enlarger?!
I do have a question about exchanging the matte black for the photo black. When you take a cartridge out can you put it back again later or is it instantly trash?
Thanks, Roger
PS Anyone want to buy an enlarger?!
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Jan31
> Roger, Of course you can put the cartridge back in later, but don't forget to put it back in the plastic because otherwise it may dry out. And that's also a hint for the printer, don't put it in a warm place, I usually have to replace some inkts when without printing for several weeks, because the inks dry out fast. Good luck with it
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You can reuse it. I do it all the time. However, be sure to put it into a couple of layers of baggies to keep it from drying up. Be careful to not touch the ink port on the underside.
Most importantly, make sure that the change has been recognized by your computer's Epson monitoring software AND the printer setup in Photoshop! Sometimes you will have to quit our of Photoshop and go back in. For ex&le, you might notice, as you switch from the Matt ink to the Photo Black ink, that the paper type semi-gloss does not show up as a choice.
Also, be careful with low ink. I just had my first instance of the ink showing low - NOT out - and the prints being all off color. I was so surprised to have lots of off-color prints after weeks of perfect colors. Finally, I replaced the yellow cartridge that was very low but not registering as out. This solved the problem.
One downside to switching the Black ink. When you do this, it is my understanding that all of the inks get recharged and this wastes some ink.
Enjoy! Fred Stephens
Most importantly, make sure that the change has been recognized by your computer's Epson monitoring software AND the printer setup in Photoshop! Sometimes you will have to quit our of Photoshop and go back in. For ex&le, you might notice, as you switch from the Matt ink to the Photo Black ink, that the paper type semi-gloss does not show up as a choice.
Also, be careful with low ink. I just had my first instance of the ink showing low - NOT out - and the prints being all off color. I was so surprised to have lots of off-color prints after weeks of perfect colors. Finally, I replaced the yellow cartridge that was very low but not registering as out. This solved the problem.
One downside to switching the Black ink. When you do this, it is my understanding that all of the inks get recharged and this wastes some ink.
Enjoy! Fred Stephens
>[ I am very interested in what you say about the Epson 2200. I have been using a 1270 for some time and have been very happy with it and reluctant to change. One reads reviews of the 2200 but it is never compared with a dye printer like the 1290 or 1270: and pigment printers in the past have been unsatisfactory. Have you compared colour prints as well as black and white: and have you any views about the shiny pigment on matte paper and metamerism? Will it also print well on the same papers? I should certainly appreciate any comments.
Yours,
Alan]
Yours,
Alan]
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percywalker
Alan, Your concerns are best addressed for now by reviews. I recommend starting with the reviews The Luminous Landscape or http://luminous-landscape.com/.
Fred
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mike_nunan
Alan,
You may be interested in the information at the bottom of this page, as it seem that you can reduce/avoid metamerism by using a ceramic coated paper:
http://www.computer-darkroom.com/epson2100/2100_2.htm
I am currently awaiting a s&le print on the High Gloss White Film in order to see first hand what the results are like, but generally Ian Lyons of computer-darkroom.com is a very reliable information source so I am expecting to be happy with what I see. Any UK-based users interested in obtaining a s&le should contact Nova Darkroom as they have sole rights to distribute Pictorico products in this country. See here for a catalogue of items they can provide:
http://www.novadarkroom.com/mjb_pop/pictorico.pdf
Note that the Photo Gallery Glossy paper is missing from the list, because Nova are currently not able to supply that item in the UK. Here's hoping they resolve that soon.
Between this and support of advanced products such as the ImagePrint RIP, it really looks like the 2100/2200 printer is going to rule the roost for some time to come, and I wouldn't hesitate to upgrade your 1270. As an added bonus, you can get a lab to run big prints on a 9600 using the same ink set, so you have almost total confidence that the colours will match your A4/A3 proof prints from the 2x00.
To be fair, the new Canon dye-based units offer extremely good quality (possibly even sharper than the Epsons) and much better speed, so if that's an issue for you then take a look at their range before you jump for the Epson.
HTH
-= mike =-
You may be interested in the information at the bottom of this page, as it seem that you can reduce/avoid metamerism by using a ceramic coated paper:
http://www.computer-darkroom.com/epson2100/2100_2.htm
I am currently awaiting a s&le print on the High Gloss White Film in order to see first hand what the results are like, but generally Ian Lyons of computer-darkroom.com is a very reliable information source so I am expecting to be happy with what I see. Any UK-based users interested in obtaining a s&le should contact Nova Darkroom as they have sole rights to distribute Pictorico products in this country. See here for a catalogue of items they can provide:
http://www.novadarkroom.com/mjb_pop/pictorico.pdf
Note that the Photo Gallery Glossy paper is missing from the list, because Nova are currently not able to supply that item in the UK. Here's hoping they resolve that soon.
Between this and support of advanced products such as the ImagePrint RIP, it really looks like the 2100/2200 printer is going to rule the roost for some time to come, and I wouldn't hesitate to upgrade your 1270. As an added bonus, you can get a lab to run big prints on a 9600 using the same ink set, so you have almost total confidence that the colours will match your A4/A3 proof prints from the 2x00.
To be fair, the new Canon dye-based units offer extremely good quality (possibly even sharper than the Epsons) and much better speed, so if that's an issue for you then take a look at their range before you jump for the Epson.
HTH
-= mike =-
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Jan31
> using mac OS x the epson acts very weird i use this printer and i am > seriously disapointed i hope canon does better. First of all the driver crashed frequently, even under 10.2.6 and the printer updates from epson or their helpline are not capable to result the problem, after calling their helpline for 45minutes they said the problem was .. Photoshop. Print B&W is pretty good, colors are more difficult. Think twice before spending hours of reinstalling this expensive machine !! Jan Brouckaert
I have been using an Epson 1280 for some nine months now, with suitable results for color reproduction (at least I can't complain within the budget, so my apologies if this is proletarian to all of you 2000 owners). Somehow, I have not quite been able to manage a decent reproduction of B&W- the contrast is lacking and the "black" always comes up with a colored hue.
I am using Adobe Photoshop and the images are scanned as greyscale on my trusty Canon FS4000.
Most of the B&W film is Ilford PanF or Fuji Neopan.
Would anyone be able to share some insight or point to an appropriate URL ?
Regards to all
Andrei
I am using Adobe Photoshop and the images are scanned as greyscale on my trusty Canon FS4000.
Most of the B&W film is Ilford PanF or Fuji Neopan.
Would anyone be able to share some insight or point to an appropriate URL ?
Regards to all
Andrei